During Thursday night's Red Wings-Avalanche game, Detroit defenseman Niklas Kronwall was the victim of a violent hit by Colorado's Cody McLeod. Kronwall was smashed into the boards face first on an illegal check by McLeod and lay motionless on the ice before being stretchered off. McLeod was assessed a game misconduct and was ejected. Kronwall was diagnosed with a concussion in a situation that could have actually been worse.
Not knowing the severity of Kronwall's injuries at the time, the following soundbyte from the home Avalanche broadcast still sounds pretty ugly. Listen to the reaction of play by play man Mike Haynes as he erupts after the hit and says Kronwall got what was coming to him:
Is it really appropriate to talk about a guy "getting his own medicine" when he's laying motionless on the ice? Even analyst Peter McNab can tell right away that the McLeod hit is a bad one. It's true that Kronwall has made a name for himself by delivering huge hits, but he's never been suspended by the NHL as far as I can tell. (Someone with more hockey knowledge can correct me if I'm wrong.)
Knowing that Kronwall was hurt by an illegal hit certainly takes some of the starch out of this call. It's a sign of the fine line that's walked nightly in the NHL - do you celebrate big checks or not? With the speed of the game, it could be a split second decision between a legal hit and an illegal one. Players can be seriously injured on both.
Concussions have been largely focused on the NFL in recent months, but awareness for these injuries have to be raised in the NHL as well. And all sports for that matter. Perhaps everyone in hockey has to learn to show more restraint than in the past when it comes to hits like these.
Haynes made his comment immediately after the hit and kronwall was never motionless. I guess you can't celebrate hits in hockey anymore. Also, maybe you should watch the entire video and you'll hear that Haynes and mcnabb were both concerned for kronwall. This clip conveniently cuts out before you get to that part, so that it makes mike Haynes look like a jerk. If anybody has ever watched multiple avs broadcasts, you'd know that mike Haynes is a very considerate and good person.
The sports of boxing and MMA are nothing but the celebration of life threatening hits. Why is it just team sports that AA and other media freak out about? The whole point of boxing is to render the other fighter unconscious. Does Yoder want people not to cheer at boxing matches?
Kronwall has made a living on big LEGAL hits. That's the difference. They are open ice and almost never result in a penalty. Not even comparable. This was plain dirty.
"Well, I'll tell you what, you talk about getting a bit of your own medicine...Kronwall has made a living making big hits."
Nothing wrong with this. It's straight-up analysis of the hit, and it came almost immediately after the hit was made by McLeod not after he was laying on the ice. It wasn't malicious or mean-spirited in any way.
They continued to discuss it during the intermission, and essentially said both players were at fault: McLeod by ultimately making the decision to go for the hit, and Kronwall for not turning around in time (that he should have anticipated it and acted accordingly). They followed this up immediately with "we heard he's going to be fine", but I hadn't heard that, nor could I confirm anywhere else either. Not sure if this was a way to make it seem "okay" to talk about the hit, or if they honestly did have info that wasn't out in the media yet. As an Avs fan, I was troubled by the immediate justification of the hit, because I'm sure if it had been the other way around, they wouldn't have been so cavalier about it.
Kronwall has never been suspended and is not known as a dirty player. This announcer has no class, but that's to be expected from classless idiots who are hired by a low class organization.
@ColTroutman Nah, you're wrong.
@bjohnson8322 maybe at first, but when Kronwall was laid out there was no need for Haynes to go into "....own medicine" diatribe.
You're as big of a homer as Haynes, bj. Did you enjoy Bertuzzi's hit on Moore years ago, when Bert was trying to protect his teammate and Moore ran away like a little girl,
@JDKsports None of the assertions I made are even open for debate.
@RexSterling actually, im not a fan of either team and I don't know what hit you're talking about from years ago. What I am saying is I watched the video of THIS hit and listened to when the announcer said what, and I don't think he had any evil intent behind it. The player was never "laying motionless on the ice." He was rolling around. The way that you're getting so worked up about it makes you sound like a bit of a homer, though.
@JDKsports Why didn't you just say all of that the first time?
#1 I didn't think the call was bad. Sorry, but that wouldn't have even been illegal if Kronwall hadn't lowered his shoulder just as he was about to get checked. Not sure how McLeod is supposed to hold up.
#2 Kronwall wasn't dead; he was knocked out. He wasn't lying motionless, he was moving the entire time.
#3 Yoder and other media members are hyper sensitive to any perceived insensitivity over head injuries. Yoder says awareness of the seriousness of these injuries needs to be raised. As if we don't hear enough about it 24-7.
#4 My point about sports like boxing and MMA was not to criticize those sports. It was to question why it's no longer PC to enjoy big hits in team sports, but it's not taboo to cheer ringside while 2 heavy weights attempt to KO the other or buy an MMA fight on payperview and watch 2 guys attempt to knock the other out or force him to submit due to threat of having an arm or leg broken.
#5 The fact that it doesn't normally happen is irrelevant in my mind. So you're saying the fact that guys get knocked out MORE OFTEN in combat sports makes head injuries less taboo in those sports? And this is totally different from a basketball player falling hard while trying for a board or a baseball player getting hit by a pitch in the head. This is a collision. This is very much a part of the sport (or at least it has been for a long time) and it's part of what makes the sport exciting.
#6 My main problem is I'm just tired of the concussion police acting like we should treat every possible case of a concussion as if the player could become a vegetable unable to control his bowels at any minute. Repeated head injuries are dangerous. Every one knows that and should have known that long before concussions became the single most talked about aspect of sports. But we don't need to act as if every person who gets shaken up has just been diagnosed with terminal cancer.
@ColTroutman @JDKsports What does this late check have to do with MMA or boxing? Nothing at all. Besides being totally wrong on the "point" of combat sports (you clearly don't watch them), what is YOUR point with your so-called assertions?
This article brings into question how difficult it is for hockey announcers to call a nasty check and whether Mike Haynes could have rein backed on his line of "taste of your own medicine", which blurs the line of what exactly Haynes was inferring regarding Kronwall. Especially if he was implying Kronwall "deserved" the late hit, which is INAPPROPRIATE for a hockey announcer especially when he's saying it while Kronwall is motionless, which isn't an every night thing in hockey (unfortunately, it seems to be going that way).
How this check the same thing as Marquez knocking out Pac in clean, LEGAL, sporting fashion which happens ALL THE TIME? YOU ARE THE ONE ramping up the level of this check to LIFE-THREATENING, not Yoder. If Marquez had rabbit-punched or low-blowed one of Pac's testicles off and the announcer went on to say "just getting a taste of your own medicine" it's the same shit as what Haynes said.
But, yeah.... Yoder doesnt want people to cheer at boxing matches. Whatever.